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		By: anodean		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-4666&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Emerald63&lt;/a&gt;: I agree - the graceful treatment and appreciation of servants seems to be a uniquely European phenomenon of vanishing old manners grown from living in community.
In the US, there seems to be an underlying tension often perceived as meanness or arrogance in the served, but that I suspect is an artifact of our cultural worship of individual independence: deep down inside, the served feels demeaned by the experience and thus compelled either to prove that they could do the task better themselves or to deny that the task has any intrinsic value worthy of their attention. Flip side, artificial familiarity by the server offers the loophole that it&#039;s OK if you accept &quot;help&quot; from friends or family. I&#039;ve never worked out how many generations of money it takes to turn the US attitude to the European. ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-4666" >Emerald63</a>: I agree &#8211; the graceful treatment and appreciation of servants seems to be a uniquely European phenomenon of vanishing old manners grown from living in community.<br />
In the US, there seems to be an underlying tension often perceived as meanness or arrogance in the served, but that I suspect is an artifact of our cultural worship of individual independence: deep down inside, the served feels demeaned by the experience and thus compelled either to prove that they could do the task better themselves or to deny that the task has any intrinsic value worthy of their attention. Flip side, artificial familiarity by the server offers the loophole that it&#8217;s OK if you accept &#8220;help&#8221; from friends or family. I&#8217;ve never worked out how many generations of money it takes to turn the US attitude to the European. ;)</p>
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		By: Emerald63		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Feb 2014 22:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-4661&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;anodean&lt;/a&gt;: The key to being a good servant is for your employer not realize they have servants at all as much of the time as possible. A quality servant knows his/her employer well enough to anticipate their needs and desires a high percentage of the time, while themselves blending seamlessly into the background. That&#039;s not to say servants should be ignored; they should be treated with civility and respect for their valuable service, as well as generously compensated for doing those things employers don&#039;t have the time, or inclination, to do themselves. It can be a mutually beneficial relationship, as long as everyone is OK with their role and treatment.

I was on the receiving end of such quality care in a nice restaurant in Milan many years ago. It was quite the experience. It seems being a waiter in Italy can be considered a career, not just a job, and career wait staff take enormous pride in properly attending to their clientele&#039;s needs. I was all the more stunned and horrified sometime afterward when wait-staff in the US began to actually &lt;i&gt;sit down at the table with the diners&lt;/i&gt; to take their order. Trust me, every time this happens I notify management that it invades my personal space and is not appropriate. Unfortunately, the &quot;folksy staff&quot; approach has begun to trump clientele being the center of attention in many establishments. One of many developments not to be applauded.

I suppose, though, if these home owners &lt;i&gt;liked&lt;/i&gt; the idea of having a resident hermit, complete with garb and hermit-ish idiosyncrasies, it&#039;s entirely up to them. Could be fun. Although... I do have doubts about the possibility of being a good hermit while also being jacked-in. But then, obviously, I&#039;m a purist about some things. So let me know how that works out for ya, &#039;kay?  ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-4661" >anodean</a>: The key to being a good servant is for your employer not realize they have servants at all as much of the time as possible. A quality servant knows his/her employer well enough to anticipate their needs and desires a high percentage of the time, while themselves blending seamlessly into the background. That&#8217;s not to say servants should be ignored; they should be treated with civility and respect for their valuable service, as well as generously compensated for doing those things employers don&#8217;t have the time, or inclination, to do themselves. It can be a mutually beneficial relationship, as long as everyone is OK with their role and treatment.</p>
<p>I was on the receiving end of such quality care in a nice restaurant in Milan many years ago. It was quite the experience. It seems being a waiter in Italy can be considered a career, not just a job, and career wait staff take enormous pride in properly attending to their clientele&#8217;s needs. I was all the more stunned and horrified sometime afterward when wait-staff in the US began to actually <i>sit down at the table with the diners</i> to take their order. Trust me, every time this happens I notify management that it invades my personal space and is not appropriate. Unfortunately, the &#8220;folksy staff&#8221; approach has begun to trump clientele being the center of attention in many establishments. One of many developments not to be applauded.</p>
<p>I suppose, though, if these home owners <i>liked</i> the idea of having a resident hermit, complete with garb and hermit-ish idiosyncrasies, it&#8217;s entirely up to them. Could be fun. Although&#8230; I do have doubts about the possibility of being a good hermit while also being jacked-in. But then, obviously, I&#8217;m a purist about some things. So let me know how that works out for ya, &#8216;kay?  ;)</p>
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		By: anodean		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Feb 2014 17:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Boy, talk about crushing the dream - this place must employ a cast of hundreds (OK, dozens) to look after it. Maybe instead of a caretaker they might need a garden-variety hermit to wander around in costume and live in an improved gazebo? I could probably handle that, as long as there was good signal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, talk about crushing the dream &#8211; this place must employ a cast of hundreds (OK, dozens) to look after it. Maybe instead of a caretaker they might need a garden-variety hermit to wander around in costume and live in an improved gazebo? I could probably handle that, as long as there was good signal.</p>
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		By: Emerald63		</title>
		<link>https://looneylisting.com/2014/02/27/garden-lovers-only/#comment-4646</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Feb 2014 21:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m thinking when you&#039;ve got a $49M house, paying a few gardeners, even full time, is not gonna be a problem. What I would never have guessed is... there are &lt;i&gt;16&lt;/i&gt; varieties of bananas?! (O_o) That, the &lt;i&gt;500&lt;/i&gt; rosebushes (regardless of color), and a pond big enough to keep &lt;i&gt;30&lt;/i&gt; turtles happy is definitely something else. The kicker? This place sold for &quot;only&quot; $1.75M at public auction in 1997. That&#039;s a whopping 28-fold increase in value, almost 33-fold if you work from the original asking price. I imagine Mr. Amway&#039;s multitude of minions never fared as well. At least now we know how the 1% live. Thanks for finding it on Redfin, Marty, otherwise I would never have known about the 1997 price tag. 

It&#039;s well worth looking at both links. Redfin has way more photos, but the WSJ feature includes all sorts of tidbits, like the fact that the bedroom wallpaper, found in Belgium, originated in 1820s China and was hand-painted in France. Because these things &lt;i&gt;matter&lt;/i&gt;. Really, I&#039;m just happy that someone &lt;i&gt;finally&lt;/i&gt; understood the elegance, yet understated restraint, of Doric columns.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m thinking when you&#8217;ve got a $49M house, paying a few gardeners, even full time, is not gonna be a problem. What I would never have guessed is&#8230; there are <i>16</i> varieties of bananas?! (O_o) That, the <i>500</i> rosebushes (regardless of color), and a pond big enough to keep <i>30</i> turtles happy is definitely something else. The kicker? This place sold for &#8220;only&#8221; $1.75M at public auction in 1997. That&#8217;s a whopping 28-fold increase in value, almost 33-fold if you work from the original asking price. I imagine Mr. Amway&#8217;s multitude of minions never fared as well. At least now we know how the 1% live. Thanks for finding it on Redfin, Marty, otherwise I would never have known about the 1997 price tag. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s well worth looking at both links. Redfin has way more photos, but the WSJ feature includes all sorts of tidbits, like the fact that the bedroom wallpaper, found in Belgium, originated in 1820s China and was hand-painted in France. Because these things <i>matter</i>. Really, I&#8217;m just happy that someone <i>finally</i> understood the elegance, yet understated restraint, of Doric columns.</p>
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